I thought that was my craziest but. Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. Constructed in 1923, Union Station served the . I, My 6) above, stacking the tracks. If so, it could be served by alternate runs of the E or as a second express provided a suitable terminal could be found. 2. Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? The closest stations to Utica Avenue are: Utica Av/Beverly Rd is 115 yards away, 2 min walk. Bring line to ground at terminal. Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? 3. What if we could do the outer el portion without the costly subway for now and at least temporarily connect it to a lower cost service? The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. 11. Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. 7. Modern giant boring machines make drilling more cost effective and its common for all the tunneling to be complete years before the line can open, primarily because of stations. But thats how I see it. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. 3 and 4 train service through East . Taking this one step further this also supposes that, as the Worth St Line was to serve a similar catchment area as the BMT Centre Street Line (J train) that the new subways through the Lower East Side would replace the Centre St Line, thus leaving it up for abandonment (if this seems too preposterous keep in mind that half of this line is already, for all intents and purposes, abandoned). 480-foot B locals are actually 31 feet shorter than IRT local trains yet have more room because theyre wider. I chose to believe that rerouting the B/D to Williamsburg opens up far more possibilities. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. 1,2. Given the upfront costs of building it that seems like a waste (yes, 2nd Ave only hits that with the Q but it is at least designed to add the T later on). But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. Queens Blvd is one of the busiest trunk lines in the city, so its definitely a second on the priority list, and even with East Side Access the MTA has set aside room to build the connecting tracks for the Bypass. That leaves the Broadway portion Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. It would reduce the need for bus transfers. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. What do you figure the cost of the subway portion of the line to be? These look less industrial than plain Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. no, i only looked at pictures, ill look at post now LOL. On the other hand, your SAS plans involve building at least two complicated junctions to active tracks (including one under the East River) and lots of reliability-tanking interlining. While cost is an obvious reason for building an elevated over a subway there are also geological concerns in this area as the land through which Utica Ave runs has a very high water table and very sandy soil. It lets light through the middle The upper level at Utica Ave station on the Fulton Line would be used but only half of the existing structure would be needed since the modern line would be two tracks. The MTA has only been making these small extensions, the last major one (affected more than 3 lines) was in 1967-1968, which changed the BB, T, TT, D, F, JJ, M, MM, and the QT, and added the QJ, B, and KK. Between Fulton St and Eastern Parkway the crest of the ridge which runs along Long Island rises 52 feet. We dont need to build out some perfect system when IRT is good enough. As for late nights and weekends why not just extend the 6? Hey, me again. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. Also, Utica Av(or Malcolm X Blvd because a BMT Line is past Fulton St)becomes smaller past Fulton St, so instead of one lane being ripped up, a whole street would be ripped up, causing the B46 to be detoured north of Fulton St. An elevated line would be a bad idea too, because north of Fulton St is just 2-story Pre-War homes, and the rooftops are around the same height as the tracks. Touring: F train to East Broadway. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. Atlantic-Barclays, now thats interesting. And theres no room there for it. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. If that happens, either the A or C would have to go that way. [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. ; Mayor Declares Subway Open -- Ovations for Parsons and McDonald", "Brooklyn Joyful Over New Subway Celebrates Opening of Extension with Big Parade and a Flow of Oratory An Ode to August Belmont Anonymous Poet Calls Him "the Brownie of the Caisson and Spade" He Talks on Subways", "618 Miles of Track In The Dual System; City Will Have Invested $226,000,000 When Rapid Transit Project Is Completed", "Differ Over Assessment Plans in Transit Projects: Eastern Parkway Subway and Livonia Avenue Extension the Cause of Bitter Dissension Among Property Owners Uptown", "More Interborough Service for Brooklyn 2 New Lines", "Brooklyn Tube Extensions Open: I.R.T. Off-center over roadway. Flatbush Ave is extra wide along this section and the median would be used to create a safer traffic pattern. And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. The MTA would then lease the land as a way to bring in continued revenue and the new development would help pay for the construction. Subway, local station, ADA accessible (ONLY northbound 6) 59 St. E 60 St and Lexington Ave, E 59 St and Lexington Ave, E 60 St and 3rd Ave. Four side platforms. Hey, that was me. Freeway-style concrete pillars. Hughes and Brooklyn Officials to Join in a Formal Celebration of Event To-day", "Exercises In City Hall. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. With more TPH there will be less crowding at Franklin or Nevins. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Precinct: (718) 735-0611 Community Affairs: (718) 735-0634 Crime Prevention: (718) 735-0658 - Jason Marsman - E-mail: jason.marsman@nypd.org - Kelvin Vidal - E-mail: kelvin.vidal@nypd.org Domestic Violence Officer: (718) 735-0600 - E-mail Youth Coordination Officer: (718) 735-0657 . Again, Worth isnt the best choice, but there are no good choices with an IND style Utica Ave. Not bad. The Utica Avenue subway station in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. Despite its name, this station has no exit to the corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway. But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. But for Brooklyn, maybe 4? In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Reviving the Nassau loop will only gain low ridership. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in BedfordStuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. 4. I know this is something that the City wont consider if they ever release their Utica Ave plan which is why I want to start the discussion now. C, the yard that would be built over the bus depot would be able to host more trains (btw can it be named Marine Park Yards or Mill Basin Yards) seeing that it is smaller. More complicated than it needs to be. The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. Use upside down flying buttresses (floating buttresses?). Even before revenue service or full tunnels were dug the six-track station was a relic of another era. Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. And normal service would still be able to run. Far simpler with more capacity. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. But Utica predates 2nd Ave by at least a decade. Alon Levy did a back-of-the-napkin estimate of how much a mostly elevated line would cost and found it a better cost per rider than even 2nd Ave. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. If you check out the MTA report I sourced for the Rogers Junction rebuild you can see the two options. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. Lets get it built! tph, equal to 16 A Div. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). Your 3/4 routing doesnt work anymore. The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. They must be pillar free for security. This would also take relief off of the (B)/(Q) trains to the west. Also major problem. 57 is also proposed at Utica avenue from Eastern parkway to Flatbush avenue. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. Crown Heights Utica Avenue Station. I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). 34 St- Penn Station. station. BED-STUY, BROOKLYN A person was hit and killed by a train at Utica Avenue station in Bed-Stuy on Wednesday morning, according to the MTA and FDNY. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. The 5 is already going express and with further station spacing you would still have good run times. We dont need to tear down the EL. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. The IRT built their Utica Ave station west of Utica Ave with turnouts in the track walls so that a branch could split. Though Id suggest building a peak direction track on Utica Similar to the 6 and 7 lines. Its got limitations now, sure. Got to be local? THE IRT IS 3/4 THE SIZE OF THE IND/BMT FOR A REASON. The 2004 artwork here is part of a series called Good Morning and Good Night. See the problem? But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. So on late nights obviously the 2/4 would run local. Not that it would do anything for tunnel though. Connecting the currently planned SAS to Fultons local tracks involves building zero junctions and minimal interlining. As part of Contract 3 of the agreement, between New York City and the IRT, the original subway opened by the IRT in 1904 to City Hall,[12] and extended to Atlantic Avenue in 1908,[13] was to be extended eastward into Brooklyn. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. Outside fare control, there is a token booth and two street stairs, each going to either western corners of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street. Also the train that stays down Fulton past Utica would now have 4 terminals, Euclid Ave, Ozone Park, and The Rockaways. Emergency responders rushed to the A/C . Also as Vanshookenraggen stated, the IND Utica Av Station will have to be teared up and relocated. Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. My first thought was that this doesnt jibe with LEX being the busiest single line but then I tallied the ridership numbers for the three lines that go up the west side for a number thats 2 and a half times as big. Ok, I understand you so desperately want the Rogers Junction to be rebuilt. Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. Fake it. The Utica Avenue extension in particular has been proposed several times as part of the New York City Transit Authority's 1968 expansion proposals, in older pre-unification plans, and in the competing pre-unification expansion plans of the Independent Subway System (IND). Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. Few problems. Passangers want a train for the East and West Sides.By switching the 3 and 5 youre forcing passangers to make a crossover at Franklin when they could easily just have a one seat ride from Utica or Flatbush Av. The only The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. IRT Utica would run express by default and be a much quicker commute (not to mention better transfer options at Atlantic Ave.) As you stated CBTC will boost frequency a bit more but those are all other projects that need to be done first. South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. B, the curve wont be as sharp when the train curves down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. The important thing about the shorter option is that installing these switches could be done overnight or over a weekend and wouldnt require long term, disruptive construction. It also depends on adding a new service to Fulton, which Im all for, but as stated in the piece Eastern Parkway already has the extra service which can just be extended. The 2nd Ave station (F line) was built with express tracks pointed towards Brooklyn (the 6th Ave express trains would have made up the bulk of the Utica Ave Line), at the Broadway G station there is the shell of the never built South 4th St station which was to serve Utica Ave trains, and at Utica Ave station on the Fulton St Line (A/C lines) there was on the upper level a shell for a 4 track station for Utica Ave trains. To keep interlining you need to go with the complicated and expensive Rogers rebuild and I dont think that the service pattern justifies the cost. [23], The station's full-time exit is at the east end (railroad south) of the platforms. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. Finnaly, the A/C Utica Av station is directly under Utica Av. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. . RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. Abandoned Mineral . Like on the Jamaica el. So feeding more traffic into LEX which is so crowded while it actually misses the work destinations for most of these new riders might not be the best way to go. And on what route? It stands to reason, then, that the massive South 4th Subway with branches to Utica Ave and along Myrtle Ave was designed to replace the Broadway and Myrtle Ave Els as well. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. On the New Lots Avenue-bound platform, the track walls have a section of yellow-orange tiles beneath the trim-line and another line of yellow tiles on the bottom of the tiled portions. Then a tunnel would have to be built just outside the station. The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? I just noticed not just the rough formatting and typos but Id accidentally truncated my handle to H. And I though drafting it offline would reduce mistakes! There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. But the plan wound up being abandoned after the IND subway was built along Central Park West. They will have elevators or ramps for handicapped access. Or just stay on your train. Diamond crossover tracks exist west (railroad north) of the station for northbound trains and east for southbound trains. Not a Hitch in the Service. Finnaly, the IRT Utica Av doesnt have the provisions for having a IND Utica Av, so either one of two plans will have to happen: 1- Build a Eastern Pkwy Station under the 3/4 and have a steep incline back up to Empire Blvd so it can be able to portal out wherever (originally I thought it was going to portal out at Empire Blvd but I guess im wrong). The station's other fare control area has two staircases going down to each platform, a crossover, part-time turnstile bank and customer assistance booth, high entry/exit turnstiles that provide full-time access to and from the station, and two staircases going up to either side of Fulton Street between Stuyvesant and Schenectady Avenues. You are correct that the larger option would require shutting down service which is one reason Im in favor of the smaller option. You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. Might In IND reports it was proposed to have the line remain as a subway until Ave J where it would ascend to the surface and run elevated, originally to Sheepshead Bay, then later a more simplified route down Flatbush Ave to Floyd Bennett Field. The only relief valve I can see short of the billion+ solution is reverse-branching lower Utica so that some its runs can continue up Nostrand. Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. The one on the west (railroad north) is staffed weekdays only and accessed via a wide staircase in place of the end wall of the New Lots Avenue-bound platform. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. But after World War II priority shifted to rehabilitating the existing system and even through Utica Ave would be featured in many of the post-War expansion plans there always seemed to be other projects that got chosen first. Gov. I dont really see the need for a peak direction track this far out. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. 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